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BERESTH: Are you asking me as a seller or as a
buyer?
PLA Y METER: A buyer.
BERESTH: It's like anything else: the seller would
like to sell for the highest price he can get, the
buyer would like to buy for the lowest price. And
today if omebody gave me a ride for 40 times or
even 30 times, I might not be interested, but next
year, becau e of economic conditions and the way
my bu iness is structured, I might be willing to pay
70 time depending on how it fits into my picture.
It depends on the route. And it depends on
competition, 0 sometimes I may overpay or pay a
price that may look from an outsider's point of view
extremely high . It depends on what it's worth only
to me.
PLAY METER: Okay. Let's say I have a route to
ell, and we agree on the wood value of the
equipment. How many week's take do you want to
pay me for my route? What would be your first
offer?
BERESTH: Well, it would have to be within
reason, in all fairness to the individual sitting across
the table. If I am an interested buyer and he's an
interested seller, I'm not going to sit down and
wa te hi time, or mine . I would look not so much at
the gro value but I would look at profitability. For
my own particular route I don't think I would
consider Ie s than sixty times my weekly net.
PLAY METER: That's more than a year's take.
BERESTH: Definitely. That doesn't necessarily
mean I'm right but that's what I feel my route is
worth as a minimum . But I also realize that anyone
el e, coming completely cold into the area, cannot
profit the same way we do.
Let' say tomorrow morning ARA became
interested in my route. They would analyze it
completely differently because they know histor-
ically that they cannot produce the same amount of
profit a the independent operator can. There's no
way . This is why when they evaluate routes, and I
use ARA just as an example, they must look at it
with a completely different pair of eyes. Whereas
if my competitor in the next town looked at my
route, his profitability would be that much greater.
PLA Y METER: So the guy across town might be
willing to pay a bit more than ARA would?
BERESTH: That' right, if he can fit it into his
route. It makes ense for him to buy me out even if
he has to overpay, as long as it fits into his picture.
He' eliminating competition and he's solidifying his
po ition in his area.
You look at that painting on the wall o-it's a
ship--and you say, 'I don't want that.' But I'm
willing to pay $2,000 for that painting. It's the same
thing in business. No two pair of eyes analyze
thing the same way.
PLAY METER: You're saying that beauty is in the
eye of the beholder?
BERESTH: Right.
PLAY METER: Can we put that in business terms:
acqui ition price is in the eye of the beholder?
BERESTH: Exactly. You have rough guidelines to
go by but there are so many variables. You can't list
them. Again: i the man buying interested in equity
or in profitability?
PLA Y METER: Let's talk for a minute about
equity.
BERESTH: I mean equity in the sense of what the
buyer projects for the future. What is his interest in
a route? Many times I have bought routes because
of my labor. You reach the point of diminishing
returns--your labor is in excess of what it should be
and you're caught. Sometimes you need additional
growth just to keep all those people busy. So you
buy not so much for profitability as out of need.
Today I may be so interested in a route that I'd pay
70 times. Tomorrow I might not be interested in the
route if you gave it to me.
Again, sometimes a guy will buy a route, not
because he wants it, but because he has too-it's a
nece ity--and if he buys it under those conditions,
he'll pay a ridiculous amount. Other times he just
ha no interest. Today, I think, interest in buying
is getting less and less. My interest has gotten less;
I don't think I'd even consider buying a route right
now. It'd have to be a small route because I'm
geared for what I have. And I'm just not interested
in looking at a route from the equity standpoint any
longer.
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PLAY METER: So you feel that that's been one of
the biggest changes in the business, the equity end
of it.
BERESTH: Well, I think so. In my area. I really
don't have an opportunity to see the country as a
whole.
PLAY METER: In your area though, there have
become fewer and fewer operators, which has
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