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Issue: 1976 June - Vol 2 Num 6

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BERESTH: Are you asking me as a seller or as a
buyer?
PLA Y METER: A buyer.
BERESTH: It's like anything else: the seller would
like to sell for the highest price he can get, the
buyer would like to buy for the lowest price. And
today if omebody gave me a ride for 40 times or
even 30 times, I might not be interested, but next
year, becau e of economic conditions and the way
my bu iness is structured, I might be willing to pay
70 time depending on how it fits into my picture.
It depends on the route. And it depends on
competition, 0 sometimes I may overpay or pay a
price that may look from an outsider's point of view
extremely high . It depends on what it's worth only
to me.
PLAY METER: Okay. Let's say I have a route to
ell, and we agree on the wood value of the
equipment. How many week's take do you want to
pay me for my route? What would be your first
offer?
BERESTH: Well, it would have to be within
reason, in all fairness to the individual sitting across
the table. If I am an interested buyer and he's an
interested seller, I'm not going to sit down and
wa te hi time, or mine . I would look not so much at
the gro value but I would look at profitability. For
my own particular route I don't think I would
consider Ie s than sixty times my weekly net.
PLAY METER: That's more than a year's take.
BERESTH: Definitely. That doesn't necessarily
mean I'm right but that's what I feel my route is
worth as a minimum . But I also realize that anyone
el e, coming completely cold into the area, cannot
profit the same way we do.
Let' say tomorrow morning ARA became
interested in my route. They would analyze it
completely differently because they know histor-
ically that they cannot produce the same amount of
profit a the independent operator can. There's no
way . This is why when they evaluate routes, and I
use ARA just as an example, they must look at it
with a completely different pair of eyes. Whereas
if my competitor in the next town looked at my
route, his profitability would be that much greater.
PLA Y METER: So the guy across town might be
willing to pay a bit more than ARA would?
BERESTH: That' right, if he can fit it into his
route. It makes ense for him to buy me out even if
he has to overpay, as long as it fits into his picture.
He' eliminating competition and he's solidifying his
po ition in his area.
You look at that painting on the wall o-it's a
ship--and you say, 'I don't want that.' But I'm
willing to pay $2,000 for that painting. It's the same
thing in business. No two pair of eyes analyze
thing the same way.
PLAY METER: You're saying that beauty is in the
eye of the beholder?
BERESTH: Right.
PLAY METER: Can we put that in business terms:
acqui ition price is in the eye of the beholder?
BERESTH: Exactly. You have rough guidelines to
go by but there are so many variables. You can't list
them. Again: i the man buying interested in equity
or in profitability?
PLA Y METER: Let's talk for a minute about
equity.
BERESTH: I mean equity in the sense of what the
buyer projects for the future. What is his interest in
a route? Many times I have bought routes because
of my labor. You reach the point of diminishing
returns--your labor is in excess of what it should be
and you're caught. Sometimes you need additional
growth just to keep all those people busy. So you
buy not so much for profitability as out of need.
Today I may be so interested in a route that I'd pay
70 times. Tomorrow I might not be interested in the
route if you gave it to me.
Again, sometimes a guy will buy a route, not
because he wants it, but because he has too-it's a
nece ity--and if he buys it under those conditions,
he'll pay a ridiculous amount. Other times he just
ha no interest. Today, I think, interest in buying
is getting less and less. My interest has gotten less;
I don't think I'd even consider buying a route right
now. It'd have to be a small route because I'm
geared for what I have. And I'm just not interested
in looking at a route from the equity standpoint any
longer.
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PLAY METER: So you feel that that's been one of
the biggest changes in the business, the equity end
of it.
BERESTH: Well, I think so. In my area. I really
don't have an opportunity to see the country as a
whole.
PLAY METER: In your area though, there have
become fewer and fewer operators, which has
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resulted in fewer and fewer people looking to buy
routes.
BERESTH: There are virtuaJly no buyers. A large
route will always sell because there's enough in
terms of volume and income for it to sustain its own
overhead, but the only one who would buy a
mediocre ize operation is one who can incorporate
it into his present operation, assuming he has a
fairly substantial operation to begin with.
PLAY METER: Let's talk a minute about the
methods of operating over the last fiftee n to twenty
years. Have t hey changed all that much?
BERESTH: No.
PLA Y METER: Certainly they've gotten more
sophisticated in some areas.
BERESTH: Yes . Being a cigarette operator first
was an advantage for me I think, because it's a heck
of a lot easier to operate music and games. The
cigarette operator always works in small figures
because it's basically a penny business. So as a
cigarette operator you develop a pretty good
insight into profitability; you are always very
conscious of prices and you don't let things get away
from you .
I've talked to music and games operators who
have gone into the cigarette business and in turn I
have known cigarette operators who have gone into
the music and games business. To this day, being
basically a cigarette operator, when I go into a
location --even if I have a very substantial revenue
coming from t hat location --I'll still fight to keep that
cigarette commission down. Because I am a
cigarette operator, I know that the key in the
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cigarette business is to have a low commission even
if the account could be generating a couple hundred
dollar a week and I'll fight them to save a half cent
or a penny a pack . But when the music operator
turns to the cigarette business, he may well say to
himself, 'I'm taking out $200 a week in my music
and games 0 I'll give the guy an extra cent and a
half on cigarettes.' He's not as picky about it. But
I've learned: in the cigarette business you have to
keep the commission down because over the years,
it's creeping up and up and up and up. And you have
to be on top of it all the time. Also the cigarette
operator has always worked with figures whereas
in the music and games business you don't work
with figures . Today you have to, but years ago you
didn't.
PLA Y METER: What figures in particular?
BERESTH: You know, you're watching pennies
and pennies add up to dollars.Y ou're very conscious
of prices, you're very conscious of the small
expenses which you may not have the ability to
control in many cases.
PLAY METER: Okay. We've established then that
operating methods are pretty much the same as
years ago but more sophisticated.
BERESTH: They are especiaJly more sophisticated
from the standpoint of accounting and accounting
procedures. Profitability, depreciation --these are
things that everybody takes into consideration --but
now you've got things like estate planning; you've
got just so many problems. If you don't recognize
potential problems, for example, your assets can be
very much dissipated. This business just doesn't
stop with a quarter dropping into a juke box; it goes
all the way right to death. Let's face it: we all have
to die, and we have to plan for it.
This is where the changes are: the operator is no
longer simply running a route--it's a very sophisti-
cated business, and he'd better start acting like a
businessman. We have to know everything from
soup to nuts. And if you don't know, you just have
to pay for the brains--it's as simple as all that. And
that's where we should invest.
PLAY METER: Could we talk about some of the
financial aspects of the business?
BERESTH: Like most operators, when we first
started we financed a good portion of our
equipment but we haven't financed a piece of
equipment in probably the last four years .
PLAY METER: You've bought on an open account?
BERESTH: Right. I don't mean to say that we
haven't gone into a bank, but we have not financed
a piece of equipment. We've had the ability,
because of the way we operate, to grow and to start
amortizing our routes--we're still paying for routes
we bought a couple of summers ago . I don't know if
it's our overhead or the way we operate, we still
have the ability to grow without going into financing.
This takes us into the philosophy of operating
with regard to where you allocate your dollars to be
spent. You can talk about video games, you can talk
about jukes, you can talk about shuffles, you can
talk about pins . We have our own philosophy of
operating and it's worked for us. We're satisfied.
I've no incentive at this point to change the way we
operate unless the picture changes; then we'll be

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