run o ut o t th e hall and the y were collaring H rb
Gro s: th ey want ed to as k gu estio n . Th ey want ed
to kn o w fr o m th ere a nd thi i what happe n d
with MOA. Th e next day we had a lun c he n wh ere
eve r yo ne bo wed to o ne an o th e r n th e da i a nd
exc ha nged plagu es a nd th at wa o ur busin es
mee t ing. Peo pl e we re still tryin g t ca tch m e in th e
hall o r a t the ba ngu et to tr a nd a k m e gu e ti ns.
I didn t do thi . I had to wo rry a bo ut th e bra s. Gil
o nin wanted to tak e th e credit. I didn't ca re wh o
took th e credit as lo ng a I got my po int ac ro s.
And m point wa s th e sem in ar.
I figured: Hit e m betw ee n th e eye with
pic ture . Now you go t it. Th ere it was. There wa s
suppose d to be a pro per ex plana to ry tim e aft er-
ward. We go t the wh o le wo rld int eres t ed . Th ey
were begging in th e ha ll s to ta ke
mething back.
But th e n it di ed be ause th ey wrot e m e about it
a nd I a id " No, I ca n t d o a nything f r you. It ' a
tate kind of thin g. I ca n o nly e nd you a New
Yor k tat e kit fo r 100, which ha o ur name all
ove r it. " I purpo ely did it , to tell th e truth , t o
show th e m th ere wa a n intere t in this area. But
then th ey kill d it beca use it was m o re important
to e change bo w and give plague .
This is no t wh a t o u mak a wh o le trip once a
year f r. Yo u want t o g t th e most o ut of it but
as I said, th e re ' o nl
0 much tim they can give
for thi beca use of th e exhibits. But the meeting
have 'ust about b come closed. Th ere s nothing
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the next day at breakfast.
PLAY METER: Hopefull y in future i ues o f
Play M e t er, we ' ll be able t o provid e the a nswe rs t o
so m e o f th se gu e ti o ns o n ho w to run a ucce ful
pinball to urna m e nt , foos ba ll t o urn am ent and poo l
tournam e nt .
McC ARTHY: Yo u might have to go into taxes,
also , because th ey're asking th ose gu es tio ns all ove r
th e place .
PLAY METER: We ll , I wa nt ed t o ge t o n th a t
subj ec t nex t.
McCARTHY : Be fo re we I ave this, I wanted to
ay there co uld be a w ork ho p a t a convention like
wo rks ho ps at o th er t y pe of m eet ings.
PLAY METER: We ll m aybe if we kee p o ur
fing ers crossed th e itu a tio n will improve in the
futur e. What a bo ut sales taxe ? I kn ow th at yo u
folks in New Yo rk w re co nfro nted with th a t
pro ble m o m e tim e bac k a nd were fortunate
e no ugh t o ove rco m e it. I kn o w seve ra l t a tes are
still fac d with th.e pro ble m. In fact in com e case,
it 's a lrea dy over and d o ne with a nd o pera t o r are
paying tax e o n reve nu e derived from th e ir
machin es. Wh at advi ce ca n o u give to ta t e th a t
have no t ye t faced this pro blem?
McCARTHY: I found o ut ne good area to loo k
in to is to see if it s like so m e bo dy else' ale ta x, if
someone is pro posing o ne. I fould "that anot he r
state was co py ing o ur ale t ax w o rd for w ord a nd
didn 't bo th er t o chec k into th fac t that it wa
knoc ked out in th e co urts. Now th a t terrific , if
the state tart s t o adopt a tax th a t 's bee n bea ten .
Actually , that s ho w we won the sa le t ax ca e. Th e
attorney general 's office won th e first ro und o n a
case th y fo ll o w ed . But th ey never follow ed it far
enough to find o ut that after th e co mpa ny went
bankrupt , they w o n in th e CQ urt of a ppea ls. It
didn t m ake any differe nce t o th e m any lo nger'
they w ere all wiped o ut . But the d ec isio n was
o verturn d.
PLAY METER: Was the New York a oc iatio n
very active in that ?
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McCARTHY: Yes. I will say thi s. If you d o it
alone, fo r yo urself, it 's meaningles . I f yo u 're do ing
it as an a ociation fo r o ne thing, you advised
ever yo ne to withh o ld pa y m ent. Then th ey had a
lo t of peo pl e t o d eal with. Th e awfully big probl m
in th e indu try right now is a pa th y . They can be
told in a city th a t th ey are going to be faced with a
tax from th e city council a nd th ey' ll say, " h,
yeah if th y wa nt to d o it, t hey II d o it anyway.'
r " Le t th e big guys d o it. " I r ally don t kn o w if
it s th a t bad in a ll ot her indu trie , but I think
Herb Gro s ha fo und th a t it s incredible in o urs.
Incredibl . They d o n t d o any thing collectiv Iy.
It 's lik e each man for him elf. And thi i da n-
gerous.
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