Music Trade Review

Issue: 1910 Vol. 50 N. 14

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THE
MUSIC TRADE
REVIEW
TRADE OPINIONS ON GUESSING CONTESTS
There is no Question but that Some of the Dealers are Fully Alive to the Evil of the Coupon Schemes and Guessing
Contests, Which, Under Various Titles, have been Carried on in Many Cities Throughout the Union—An Expres-
sion of Opinion from some of the Members of the Trade will be Found in These Columns and it is to be Hoped
that there may be a Free and Open Discussion of this Matter—If Anyone has an Opinion to Express in Support
of this Contention they will be Entitled to the same Courtesy Extended to the men who Condemn the Practices
—If the Plan is good, There is no Reason in the World why Every Dealer in the Country Should not be Interested
and back up the Coupon-Guessing Contest Schemes; if they are bad they Should be Wiped Out—The Review
Columns are open to a Free and Open Discussion upon these Topics—Are You For or Against ?
"Business Will Go Down and Down."
J. W. JENKINS' SONS, Kansas City, Mo.
You are absolutely right in your belief that
such things as the guessing contest, the coupon
picture-puzzle plan, the giving away of jewelry,
etc., can do but one thing as far as the public
mind is concerned, and that is, make the public
think less and less of the piano business and of
the men in it. It is a pity that a business which
in itself brings the merchant in contact with
not merely the richest, not the poorest neces-
sarily, and not the itinerant class of people, but
the very best of all classes, should be carried on
by such unbusinesslike methods.
Our house has never indulged in any of these
schemes, and we certainly do not expect to in-
dulge in them. We would prefer to go out of
business before doing so, but, Mr. Editor, it is not
the dealers alone that are in this. It's our be-
lief that the manufacturers are at the bottom of
all this scheming. We believe that there are
many manufacturers who have men in the field
whose entire time is spent in putting on these
schemes for the various agents; at any rate, we
believe that there would be much less of this sort
of piano jobbery if the manufacturers were to
drop out of it.
The piano trade as a whole already has
enough to carry in the way of public opinion,
because to-day, and for a long time past, many
of the better class of people think of buying a
piano with fear and trembling, particularly be-
cause of the jockeying methods indulged in by
the piano dealers and the tremendous commis-
sions that are being paid in order to make a
deal. We were told only the other day of an
instance wnere a piano was sold and $200 in
commission was paid to one that was apparently
not financially interested in the deal. Now, if
the piano trade must carry, in addition to such
double dealing as the above, these other plans
of selling, namely, the fake imitation check,
bond, due-bills, etc., it is just as you say, the
business will go down and down and be looked
upon with more disfavor than ever. We hope
your campaign will bring about some good re-
sults.
vertising, because it lowers the quality of com-
petition, and because nearly every buyer becomes
a knocker. To switch a saying, You can fool a
few of the people a short time, but you can't fool
any of the people a long time.
"A Scheme Proposition."
0. K. HOUCK PIANO CO., Nashville, Tenn.
I have read your editorials in several of the
recent numbers of your magazine. I am cer-
tainly glad to see you taking up the matter of
"Guessing Contest Schemes."
It seems to me that the dealer who uses these
contest schemes is in the long run injuring his
own business, because he cannot sell his goods at
the long price that he asks on these contest
schemes, when he goes into a legitimate competi-
tive business.
It is also surprising that so many of the buy-
ing public seem to want to buy pianos on this
kind of a scheme proposition.
We are glad to say that our business is not
conducted on this kind of a line. I am enclosing
copy of an affidavit issued and signed by our
president, showing that we will give a forfeit
on any sale wherein our prices on our one price
basis are either raised or lowered.
We believe in a square deal to everybody—
that a piano is worth a certain figure and that
that price should be fixed, not to try to get
more from one customer and less from another.
If the figure placed on the piano is a fair
valuation, we cannot afford to lower it, nor
could any other dealer afford to sell below said
valuation.
"Delusive Methods."
SOHMER & CO., New York.
Regarding the delusive methods advertised by
some manufacturers will say we heartily endorse
your view expressed in same, although we do not
cater to this class of trade.
"Confidence Between the Dealer and Customer
Destroyed."
E. F. DROOP & SONS CO., Washington, D. C.
who in the belief that they are really securing a
great bargain, scrape together their nickels and
dimes for the first payment and enter into a con-
tract for purchase of the instrument with the
greatest confidence. After some months pay-
ments begin to fall behind, for the purchaser is
beginning to realize that what seemed an easy
proposition has become a burden and an obliga-
tion which he finds hard to meet. There can be
but one result in such a case, and that means
the ultimate repossession of the instrument.
Confidence between the dealer and the customer
has thereby been destroyed, which undoubtedly
means an increase in loss of business for the
dealer.
We do not hesitate to say that in our judgment
the piano trade at large, through such advertising,
receives a body blow which will leave its mark
for a long time, for there Is no denying the fact
that in the eyes of sensible and reasoning people
coupon or guessing contest advertising reflects
discredit on an industry that is so closely allied
with—or we might say, co-related to—art in its
broadest aspect.
To emphasize our objection even more strongly,
we say that we consider the average coupon or
guessing contest scheme as presented In our
daily press a direct affront to the intelligence
and a stigma on what once was an industry con-
ducted by men possessing the highest artistic
ideals!
Much more can and undoubtedly will be said on
this subject by others in the trade, and we have
much pleasure in anticipating the receipt of your
valued paper which shall contain your editorials
and letters from others on this subject.
"Fooled the Public."
W. H. RIDER, Kingston, N. Y.
I believe the prize contest is bad for the piano
business. A department store here put out a very
simple guessing contest, as follows: A card three
inches square and the one writing mun the most
number of times to get a piano free, and from
that down to as low as $50 in bond, to be applied
on one of their pianos. Which of course was ask-
ing $100 more for the piano than we did. Now
they simply fooled the public, but it did not take
long to kill that kind of business with the think-
ing people. I notice a great many piano houses
as well as department stores are doing the same
thing, and believe it is bad for the trade in the
end. Am thoroughly in sympathy with you in
this.
We desire to thank you for the assurances given
that you intend to inaugurate a campaign against
"Will Cheapen the Reputation of the Piano." all guessing, coupon and similar advertising
schemes that are now so prevalent in our trade.
LING PIANO HOUSE, Detroit, Mich.
The law stepped in and interfered when the
Prom time to time we have been approached
sellers of tea and coffee placed prizes in the pack- by men who wished to inaugurate one of these
ages, but any old thing seems to go in the selling schemes for us, but in spite of their alluring
of pianos.
propositions we have positively and absolutely de-
A piano manufacturer who engages an expert clined to be a party to such advertising, and you
"A Dollar's Worth for One Dollar."
letter writer and advertisement writer whose may rest assured that it will be the iron-clad
instructions are to evade the law expects to be policy of our company to remain out of these OLIVER DITSON CO., Boston, Mass.
schemes in the future.
We are not prepared to express an opinion re-
received in polite society.
We do not deny that here and there may be garding the "Contest Schemes." What's the use?
My vision may be very narrow, but I see
some difference between the man who steals a found a dealer who conducts a guessing contest We have but one opinion about the conduct of
loaf of bread and the man who "flim-flams" an on a clean and straightforward basis, but where our business, and that is, give everybody one
innocent purchaser of a piano, and the difference one such dealer will be found, there are a hun- dollar's worth for ?1.00.
is all in favor of the man who regards his dred who have no hesitancy in raising their
prices or offering cheap stencils at figures way
neighbor's loaf covetously.
"Hurts Everybody in the Trade."
I have not heard of any guessing contests on beyond what they are actually worth in order to THE S. W. RAUDENBUSH CO., St. Paul, Minn.
"coupon certificates" in Massachusetts. Can it cover the value represented by the coupons or
The running of piano contests of all sorts
be that they have a law there which regards prize certificates they have issued.
where piano bonds, checks, certificates, etc., are
seriously any attempt to publish a misleading ad-
We believe that the principle of the thing is given, is a deception and rank swindle, pure and
vertisement?
entirely wrong, and as far as we are concerned simple. Who started them? Why, the big con-
To the man who can be reached only by a we shall continue to condemn such advertising cerns, who, finding that they could not "hog all
the trade" by fair and honorable competition,
dollars and cents argument I would say that it in the strongest terms.
is bad business, because it will eventually
We may be wrong in our premises, but we be- sought this dishonorable method for greater
cheapen the reputation of the piano, because it lieve that such advertising attracts to the ware- gain. Not satisfied with doing such dishonorable
will increase the number of "rotten" contracts, rooms an undesirable class of trade—a number and fraudulent deeds themselves and hoping in-
because there is no cumulative value in the ad- of people who expect to get much for little, and directly to make further gains in wealth, they
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THE
MUSIC TRADE
REVIEW
TRADE OPINIONS ON GUESSING CONTESTS-Continued.
even teach the heretofore honest country dealer
how to "turn the trick"—how to swindle their
customers. Manufacturers started the game and
are at it still and are aiding and abetting it
among their agents to the very best of their
ability, though they know it is downright de-
ception and swindling. Such manufacturers and
dealers are absolutely without honor, except the
honor found among thieves. Before and after
the contest is over, these same pianos can be
bought in the open market in honest competition
with pianos of the same grade at one-half the
price made during the contest. We believe manu-
facturers and dealers practicing these contests,
these swindles upon the people, get to be known
as swindling concerns. We are told of a case
happening recently in the Twin Cities where a
customer of ours went to a so-called piano fac-
tory and was offered a certain piano at $200.
She then produced a "gold bond" and was told
that they could not accept that, that she would
have to go up to the store, so she went to their
store and was asked ?450 for the same piano
identically, and they would accept the "gold
brick" at $150, so you see she was to be deceived
and also swindled out of $100 besides. We can
tell of a large number of instances right in this
city where people have paid from $50 to $100
more for pianos after using the bogus due-bills,
checks, bonds or certificates. We have actually
known of a certain make of piano that was
valued at $375 in a contest being sold for $160
cash.
While these swindling concerns, both manu-
facturers and dealers, obtain a temporary finan-
cial gain, we believe the future loss is greater
than the gain, for it injures their reputation
greatly and of course hurts everybody in the
trade.
Newspaper men are easily convinced that they
are a party to a swindle in accepting and pub-
lishing contest ads. The writer saw personally
the heads of the advertising departments of all
the newspapers in this city, and as a result they
have ceased to accept this sort of advertising.
This can be done in every town in the United
States.
Contests in the piano business are a rank fraud
and should be put a stop to by every legitimate
means that can be thought of, and really people
who (practice these methods at disposing of
goods should be jailed.
"Productive of Great Evil."
EMERSON PIANO CO., Boston, Mass.
We thoroughly agree with you that the time
has come when all guessing contest schemes
should be completely eliminated from the piano
industry. The effect of such means is productive
of great evil, destroys the confidence of the
public at large, and is vitiating as regards price.
It seems so strange to us that piano dealers
should be continually ringing it into the ears of
their customers how cheap pianos can be bought
and never alluding to quality.
We have all along been bitterly opposed to the
guessing contest, coupon, picture-puzzle plans
and the thousand and one devious ways which
have been so illegitimate to impress the public.
And it seems still stranger to us that dealers
should believe they can influence people to be-
lieve that it is possible to secure something for
nothing.
"As Legitimate as Safe Blowing."
CRESSEY & A L L E N , Portland, Me.
I have read your very reasonable article on
prize contests and most heartily endorse its
sentiments. We are happy to say that we have
thus far been able to do a good legitimate and
satisfactory business without using any of this
sort of misleading advertising. It is just as
legitimate as safe-blowing, and the only real dif-
ference seems to be that the class of people that
get caught do not keep their money in safes, and
therefore this kind of blowing is omitted. Are
there as many pianos sold? Of course not. People
never are in a hurry to buy anything after their
confidence is shaken. They wait, and conse-
quently we wait. If dealers would only realize
how little time it takes to shake the confidence
of the public and how long a time it takes to re-
gain it, they would be more cautious about em-
ploying fake methods. Confidence Is the great-
est asset we have in our business, and to retain
it we must protect the public against such
frauds. Go on with your good work; we admire
you for it.
"Fraudulent and Misleading."
ROBT. L. LOUD, Buffalo, N. Y .
We have never conducted a contest or piano
club, neither have we believed in such schemes,
regarding them as fraudulent and misleading.
We deplore the fact that such business methods
have been associated with the selling of pianos
and player-pianos, considering on the contrary
that the individual members of the trade should
try to increase the confidence of the public rather
than shake it.
The elimination of these questionable methods
should have been undertaken when they first ap-
peared, but as "it is better late then never," 1
sincerely trust that the aggressive campaign you
are evidently going to begin will be fruitful of
good results, and I wish you every success and
feel that you should have the support of the
genteel element of the trade, which I believe
still exists.
Guessing contests have been quite rampant in
this territory in the past few years, but we be-
lieve they have lost their pull with the public
in this section. I think one of the surest ways
of eliminating this evil is to show the news-
papers throughout the country that it is their
duty to the trade at large to prohibit the use of
their columns for any such advertising.
"Schemes Tend to Demoralize."
T H E GUEST PIANO CO., Burlington, la.
Permit us to first congratulate you on the
stand you have taken in reference to prize puzzle
and coupon schemes of all kinds used in the
piano business. In our opinion, there is nothing
that will so demoralize the trade and bring it in
disrepute before the public as the continued prac-
tice of giving "prizes" for the solving of a puzzle
that the merest child can solve. Your editorial in
the Review of March 26th is right to the point,
and cannot help but have a good effect. It seems
to us it is absolutely necessary for the legiti-
mate piano dealers to take some conceited action
against certificate schemes of all kinds, if the
piano business is to be placed and kept on the
high plane where it belongs. Schemes of all
kinds tend to demoralize business, and experience
has shown as an actual fact that business is de-
moralized for months to come in communities
where these schemes are used. The houses that
do use them must continue to do so, and offer
larger and larger prizes in order to "stimulate"
business; just like a man taking morphine. He
feels good while he is under the effect of the
drug, but when it wears off, he immediately feels
the need of another stimulant of some kind to
keep him going. This house has, and will con-
tinue to oppose and discourage all kinds of il-
legitimate schemes. Music has been acknowl-
edged as one of the most potent factors in the
up-lift of mankind, and our every effort should
be in the direction of a higher standard of ethics
in the trade, and the elimination of all question-
able schemes. Count on us for anything that
will tend in this direction, and we wish you
success.
"The Men Who Are Back of Them."
BUSH & GERTS PIANO CO., Chicago.
I am decidedly of the opinion that you will
never reach or accomplish anything in regard to
the elimination of these schemes until you have
first reached the hearts and minds of the men
who are back of them and responsible for their
existence. Probably the very manufacturers and
dealers who are conducting these contests con-
sider the means to the end justifiable. There are
so many other things that have existed in the
piano trade for the past decade that are equally
reprehensible and it has become so common a
thing for piano dealers and manufacturers to
grasp at a possible means of increasing and dis-
posing of output, often regardless of the real
legitimacy of this means, that it has become more
or less chronic and permeates the entire trade to
such an extent that it is felt severely by those
who have held aloof from such methods and de-
pend upon straightforward, legitimate advertis-
ing and solicitation and other commendable
methods of selling pianos; but when you come
in contact with a man who apparently and con-
scientiously believes he is justified in running a
contest of whatsoever nature it may be, and feels
that he at least is pui suing a perfectly legitimate
cour;e from the fact that he has not advanced
his regular prices to meet the coupon or prize-
giving emergency, how are you going to reach
him or convince him that such methods lower
the general standard of the entire industry and
make it so difficult for others to eschew such
methods or hold aloof from them in the face of
the competition thus created and the number of
sales thus secured until one after another many
dealers, who, at first condemned, abused and vili-
fied the contest proposition as a whole, have
been tempted or compelled to go into it either
in one manner or another, there being many
possibilities and almost unlimited range of these
various schemes for creating demand or pros-
pects or actual sales for pianos.
I attribute the present conditions to two prin-
cipal causes:—First: The unrestricted and un-
limited stenciling of pianos that makes it vir-
tually impossible to fix or maintain a standard
price or grade among the many nondescript
pianos thus turned out. Secondly: The failure
on the part of both manufacturers and dealers to
get together on a one-price system which shall be
a fair legitimate price representing actual value
no matter what the grade, name or reputation
of the piano may be.
If these two very important points—First: The
elimination of the stencil piano or at least a piano
without the factory name plainly cast in the
plate—Secondly: The establishment of a fair,
reasonable, legitimate scale of prices both a t
wholesale and retail upon all pianos manufactured
and bearing the manufacturer's name—could be
attained, then the conditions in the piano in-
dustry might become if not ideal at least toler-
able in place of it being almost intolerable, as
they are at the present time to those who are
possessed of naturally moral and honest instinct,
to be applied to all business, financial and com-
mercial transactions, and it depends upon how
large a percentage of just such men are repre-
sented in our great industry as to how soon such
a condition may be obtained through the influ-
ence that can be brought to bear upon those who
are not so discriminating or conscientious or par-
ticular as long as the game pays in dollars and
cents.
With best wishes, and hoping you will be able,
through the effort you are making, to secure a
formidable array of names of just such men
who are willing to come out openly, fairly and
squarely in defense of our great industry, and for
the betterment of the present conditions for the
elimination of these particular features to which
your editorial refers, believe me as ever.
Never Indulged in Guessing Contest."
SCHUMANN PIANO CO., Rockford, III.
Up to this time we have never indulged in
any guessing contests or any other scheme to
force the sale of tbe Schumann piano;neither have
we offered a piano at one price to-day and an-
other price to-morrow, or advertised our piano
at special prices on account of "flre," "stock
reducing," "moving," or any other catch-penny
device. We believe that a good piano costs as
much to build one day as it does another, and

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