Coin Slot

Issue: 1981 August 078

Coin Slot Magazine - #078 - 1981 - August [International Arcade Museum]
Letters to the Editor continued
would show roughness from bits of sand in the mold. Some
reproductions were made from a high magnesium aluminum
alloy that shrunk "white" looking color of the aluminum.
I believe that today the home market — the guy who wants
We'll also run your letter in THE COIN SLOT to see ifany
readers can come up with the mechanism you need.
Nice drawing, incidentally.
You certainly describe your
one slot for his rec room is a far bigger market than the collectors.
Many dealers have practically abandoned the collector market,
as they can get better prices in the home market. The home
machine well.
market buys more on appearance than anything else — the
Here is Mr. Byron A. Barnes* address ifany readers can help:
Mr. Byron A. Barnes
To him lots of chrome plating and well done automotive finish
10232 Richview Drive
Looks definitely count high when selling to the home market
customer must be able to justify the price he paid to his friends.
St. Louis, MO 63127
paint job is more important than the desirability of the machine.
I can justify selling a repro to the home market if it is sold as a
repro. A collector friend of mine recently built up a repro WAR
Sincerely,
EAGLE — just to see if he could do it — machine came out nice
Editor
as he put many many hours into the fitting and finishing. He sold
it to a friend of his as a repro — the guy is tickled to death with it,
and wants another one in a different denomination. Of course the
Dear Editor:
I think you are going to get a real discussion and debate going
with your stand on reproduction. I really hope you get dozens of
problem could lie with the integrity of sellers — maybe my
friend sold it as a repro — the guy he sold it to will probably re
letters — if you do not — well — then just figure that most
sell it some day. Will he try to pawn it off as original? This is a
collectors and dealers do not know how to write. This is a point
good question — who knows the true answer?
that I have made for years — that is no one knows how to write!
But, on the other hand, we might as well realize that there are
I am going to take a stand — probably controversial — maybe
more odd mechanisms out there than there are cabinets. Old
not my real thoughts — but printable if you wish. So here
operators saved mechs for spare parts, discarding the cabinets
goes —
— who would want that old fashioned ROMAN HEAD cabinet
"I cannot get as excited about reproductions as some people
when they could put a new looking HIGH TOP on location?
do. After all, reproductions were not invented by some slot
Many dealers today have many extra mechs, many have enough
dealer in the past three years — reproductions were first made
spare parts to build more mechs. What are they going to do with
over 35 years ago — Dan Post's book — Collectors Treasury of
all these mechs? Today it is very tough to find original castings,
Antique Slot Machines shows ads for a company that made a
and when you do, the prices asked border on the exhorbitant. I
complete BLACK CHERRY, or DIAMOND FRONT cabinet
know — I have built up over a dozen Jennings machines, in the
— the operator could take his old WAR EAGLE — mechanism,
past three years. I had the mechs, and had to locate cabinets. It is
and up-date it to a brand new BLACK CHERRY — for much
getting tougher to find front castings today.
less than Mills would sell him a new BLACK CHERRY. There
were also many dealers in slots that made copies of the Mills
cabinet and castings that are slightly different from the original —
I have tried to persuade several suppliers to reproduce a
HIGH TOP, so operators could up-date their equipment. I am
so that anyone would know it is repro. However, I have been told
sure there were dozens of purveyors of these reproduction post
that this would be a violation of Federal Law, as you could not
war cabinets. I recently restored a DIAMOND FRONT that
produce a new slot machine today without getting into a heap of
was undoubtedly made by one of these reproduction guys. Boy,
trouble. It appears to me that Federal Law has forced the repro
what a piece ofjunk! The castings were made from scrap, I am
into being a clandestine, undercover operation. The repro man
sure, as they defied welding. The detail was very bad as was
has to make his machine look as much like the original as
possible, or run afoul of the law. He is afraid to advertise his
quality overall. I believe that the Mills factory did not like all
these copies of their designs, as it took sales from them.
product, he cannot spend too much money for good tooling, as he
However, they were probably so busy making machines right
might be put out of business tomorrow. He will be a shaky
after the War, that they did not have time to prosecute the
character at best — cannot blame him, however.
infringers.
I feel the slot machine market needs a good reproduction Mills
cabinet with castings, and a good Jennings one, too. If it were
legal to sell a decent cabinet of flashy design, the maker would
Many of these post-war reproductions are being sold as the
genuine machine, I am sure. If the repro was made in 1946 or
1981, does it make any difference? Some dealers and collectors
might condone the 1946 reproduction, whereas they condemn
capture most of the market, and put out of business the guy
making the low quality stuff. How about a repro Mills cabinet
the 1981 version. They are both reproductions, and both are
with lower front casting of the coin front ROI^A-TOP? And
much inferior to the original factory produced product.
maybe a fake cornucopia with the coins pouring out of it. I can
Today, there are two distinct and different markets for slot
visualize a very attractive machine — maybe so attractive that
machines — one, the collector market and two, the so called
collectors would want to own it. Maybe someone should
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research the Federal Law and find a way to make a cabinet that
slight knowledge could tell an original WAR EAGLE from one
could be sold legally. If an attractive cabinet were offered, I am
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sure I would buy it.
There is one point that we should probably clarify early in the
game. Many of the fake WAR EAGLES are called reproduc
tions, which really is not the correct word — the correct word
should be COUNTERFEIT. If it is trying to passed off as an
original WAR EAGLE, then it is a COUNTERFEIT — same
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as a guy trying to pass counterfeit money. However, if the guy
from a state other than Nevada? Farfetched — maybe. But it
who sells it does riot say it is original, then I would say he is
could happen and perhaps mean a return to the "good?? old
days,"
Our stand is, ifsomeone wants a gawdy orflashy reproduc
selling a reproduction.
As far as reproduction parts are concerned, I think the less
said the better. I have seen a rapid deterioration of quality in
tion machine in his rec room, fine. But let's go about it in a
machines available over the years. What are we going to do with
truthful manner. Sell it as a reproduction; the seller should also
these mechs that are missing various parts? Are we going to
be ready to be hauled into court for selling machines not
included under the state's law for "antique machines".
Our main point is — sell itfor what it is. Just be honest about
the fact that the machine is a FAKE.
Sincerely,
Editor
discard them? As prices advance, the dealer can afford to buy
more parts to make a complete mech. Frankly, I am glad to be
able to buy repro parts if I need them. And, I think that we all are
going to need more and more of them in the future. By the way, I
have heard that the nylon slides were developed by a casino
since they wear much longer than the original brass ones.
Whether the absolute truth, I do not know.
Even though slot collecting has come a long way, due to
various State's collectors laws, but we must keep in mind that
Dear Editor:
there are still machines being operated for profit illegally, and the
Slot machine collecting is a new hobby for me. I have been
Feds know that For this reason they are not going to give slot
collecting them for approximately two years. THE COIN
collectors, dealers and suppliers "Carte Blanche" to make
SLOT has been very helpful to me in the restoration process.
whatever they want pertaining to a slot We are still on shaky
At present, my collection consists of the following machines:
ground, and must exercise good judgement — great caution —
1. 1929 Mills Jackpot reserve Serial #208248
and common sense so that things do not turn against."
2. 1936 Jennings Dixie Bell
Sincerely,
3. 1939 Mills Diamond Front
Dave Evans
4. 1948 Buckley Bonanza
All machines are 5$ Play. All restoration work was accom
Dear Dave:
plished by Johnny Wenzel; I assisted him whenever possible.
We read with great interest your letter rtfering to our stand on
reproduction machines. You are correct that we intended to stir
up a "hornet's nest" We definitely wanted our readers input on
Enclosed are photographs of the above mentioned Slots. I
would appreciate your comments regarding the appearance and
the authenticity of the years.
the subject of reproductions.
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We do take exception to some ofyour thoughts. First let us
define what we mean by a "reproduction machine," In our
opinion a reproduction is a machine which is currently being
manufactured; the case (whether totally cast or cast and wood)
is new and the entire mechanism, except for miscellaneous
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insignificant parts, is also being currently manufactured In
other words the machine is built from scratch from parts
manufactured within the last ten years. You pointed out that
parts ofmachines were beingreproduced afterthe war. That, in
fact, is a valid piece of historical fact These are not the
machines to which we refer.
We are concerned about the
modern manufacture of "old" machines.
Your use of the word counterfeit more accurately describes
the machines which have been thefocus ofour attention. They
are, in truth, counterfeits because they are made to look exactly
like the original machines and in many cases are being sold to
unwary buyers as originals.
Another important issue that until now has not been
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addressed is the simplefact that the machines were manufac
tured in 1980 and 1981, We would like to point out that the
bills, which took a great deal oftime and money to getpassed in
now 33 states, specifically use the word MANUFACTURED in
conjunction with "prior to" or "twenty-five years ago," The
actual point here is, are not these counterfeit or reproduction
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currently being manufactured and sold in his state and he's
© August
The International
Arcade Museum
1981
JUKEBOX JIM
6738 E. Colfax
Denver, CO 80220
(303) 321-2242
http://www.arcade-museum.com/
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