C.O.C.A. Times

Issue: 2012-November - Vol 18 Num 3

Pick-A-Pack Machine
Indian Dice Machine
Larceny or Legally?
by Dan Applegate
There is a decades old question of whether or not one manu-
facturer stole the idea and concept of a trade stimulator from
another mfg. back in the late 30s. The answer will be ex-
plained after I have stated how both machines, The Indian
Dice and Pick-A-Pack, were acquired.
mechanism is identical with the exception that one machine
had parts and levers for 5 columns and the other for 3 col-
umns; both machines had a tilt mechanism located in the top
of the machine; The Indian Dice had a larger view area. Both
machines had a last-coin display window on the back door,
and a cast aluminum front with wood case. In 1938, the D .
Gottlieb Co. designed and built a very clever counter ma-
chine named "The Indian Dice". It had 5 columns that held
regular spot dice and had a disk in the back of the middle
column that displayed the house odds. The game had "hold-
and-draw" features. The object of the game was to beat the
house odds. This game operated on 1 cent thru 25 cents. Op-
eration of game went as follows: Insert coin of choice; pull
handle which would spin the house-odds disk that would be
displayed in the triangular window located behind the center
column, and at the same time the dice would be popped up
in the columns and come to rest. To hold the dice that you
The Pick-A-Pack machine was acquired in an antique shop in
Hot Springs, Arkansas, and the Indian Dice machine through
a contact made at the Chicagoland Game Room Show that
lead to a contact in Kentucky. On acquiring the Pick-A-Pack
machine, I was able to negotiate a price with the dealer. On
acquiring The Indian Dice machine, my wife and I attended
the March/April Chicagoland Game Room Show. We both
were looking for this machine at the parking lot sales and
both exhibit halls at Pheasant Run. After asking many deal-
ers, I came to a booth where a gentleman named Marcus
Axiotis informed me that a friend of his had this machine
for sell. Marcus was able to contact his friend,
who contacted me and we made a deal. I had
been searching for over 30 years for these two
machines. I was thrilled to acquire both of these
machines within a very short time. Never quit
looking, including antique shops, Chicagoland
Show, and even running ads in the C.O.C.A.
Times.
Now comes the fun part! By looking at the
comparisons of both machines you can see how
closely they resemble one another and that the
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wanted to keep, push levers in . To activate the draw feature,
pull small lever next to the word "DRAW" and the dice that
were not held would be re-popped. The Aces were wild, so
the player had a good chance to match either the dice num-
ber or an Ace to better their hand.
improve the odds for the
player.
For decades it was be-
lieved that Baker Novel-
ty stole the idea for their
machine from D. Got-
tlieb, but the fact of the
matter is Gottlieb did
not do their homework
when it came to the odds
of their new The Indian
Dice machine. The Aces were wild which meant that every
die had a wild card on them which made it easier to match
one of the numbers on the dice, in other words, they had 2
chances out of 6 or 3-to-l odds of matching the dice needed
for a good hand. It would be like a deck of 52 cards hav-
ing 12 wild cards. Can you imagine how many good hands
would be dealt to players in a poker game? It would create
havoc! Along with having Aces wild, the player could vary
their choice of wager which would pay anywhere from 2
to 20-to-1 odds. To add insult to injury, the award card was
confusing; it did not state whether a Full House would beat
any 3 of a Kind which would cause a problem with pay-
outs.
In 1939, Baker Novelty and Mfg. Co., of Chicago, came out
with a machine named "Pick-A-Pack" that was identical to
The Indian Dice machine but instead of 5 dice this machine
had 3 dice that had cigarette packs etched on each side of
the dice of
nation-
ally known
n a m e
brands .
The
ma-
chine I ac-
quired did
not
have
the correct
dice so I
made my
own by us-
ing
IMP
reel strips
from Slot Dynasty; I later added the correct set of dice. The
two end columns were filled in to create a 3 column ma-
chine. It also had a triangular window behind the middle
column that displayed the names of the cigarettes. In order
for the name of the cigarettes to be fully displayed in the
window, some names were shortened, ex. Lucky Strike be-
came "Luckies"; Chesterfield became "Chesters". The disk
originally had 12 characters, 2 of each brand name. That was
changed in the later models to: l of the Ch esters was replaced
with the words "3 of Any Kind" to make it easier to win. This
machine operated on penny only. Operation was identical.
Insert penny; pull handle, the middle disk would spin, and
After many hours of research playing both machines, I
would constantly find myself a winner playing The Indian
Dice machine because on many chances I would have the
odds advantage. On the Pick-A-Pack machine, your odds
are initially 36-to-l to win a hand with 216 different combi-
nations (6x6x6). These are the odds for the later models that
had the "3 of Any Kind" located on the disk. The odds of
getting 3 of a Kind to match what was on the disk of the ear-
lier machines would be even higher odds which would make
the operator very profitable, just the opposite with The In-
dian Dice which was not favorable for profit. My conclusion
is that Baker Novelty did not steal the idea or concept for
their machine from Gottlieb, but that Gottlieb sold the rights
of the machine and its mechanism to Baker Novelty. At the
time, Baker had the rights to revamp other mfg. 's games,
like " PACES RACES", into their own machine named
"BAKERS PACERS" . Baker was getting out of making the
big console machines and getting into the counter machines.
Along with the fact that D. Gottlieb and Co. had used in their
ads the slogan that they did not mfg. gambling machines.
They were getting into mfg. pinball machines which were
more profitable. It is a shame that these two machines are
rare because they are both fun to play. The Indian Dice is
much rarer because it had a very limited production .
the 3 dice would be popped. Then the player would look at
the window located in the middle column to see what brand
was to be matched. The player then held dice that matched
brand in window by pushing in lever or levers, and then ac-
tivating the "DRAW" feature by pulling small lever located
next to the word DRAW. By having to match the name brand
that was displayed in the window, it made winning a pack
very hard to do. So Baker added the "3 of Any Kind" to
If you have any new information regarding these two ma-
chines, please reply via email to dappledman@yahoo.com .
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